Foreign Policy Magazine's 2008 Failed State Index and what it means for India's Neighborhood

  Jun 28 2008  | Views 492 |  Comments  (34)
The July August 2008 issue of Foreign Policy magazine(FP) which came out with a list of failed, fail... Expand

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  Girdhar Gopal posted 1 month ago

Two failed states have figured prominently recently vis a vis India. This refers to the attack on the Indian Embassy in Kabul. Afghanistan, as in the receiving end of Taliban and Al Queda attacks and Pakistan as the exporter and harborer of terrorists, from where the attack came and Afghanistan the place where a lot of mayhem is happening and is becoming a haven of terrorists once again. As I said in my blog, India is stuck with her neighbors.
Rgds, Girdhar



  Girdhar Gopal posted 1 month ago

Sampath Your comments are to the point and I accept them. I have been trying to use a societal blog site into something its not. I shall continue to write blogs as the muse takes me, soft or hard as based on what at that point I  wish to write. I  however wish Sulekha had the two types of blogs that I could visit when as I said above which muse was ascendant. However, they do not and they balance everything to what will be the most popular. But, they are not even balanced on that: I have blogs that are featured where I get two or three hundred views and a few unfeatured blogs that have done in the range of 600-1200 views. So they balance a lot more than popularity.

      I shall accept Sulekha henceforward as the type of blog it is and use it for my own purposes. I shall keep a lower profile and only look at other's blogs on the basis of their writing a note to me and blog when I have something to write about.
Rgds, Girdhar

     



  DSampath posted 1 month ago

dear giridhar, i apologise for the terrible typos....



  DSampath posted 1 month ago

dear giridhar,
This is further to the comments made by giridhar 
and sreenivasarao's comments....
my expression here is limited to the type of 
social portal we are in.. you are correct 
interest in poitical matters would attract only a limited viewership...
but this is true in any portal... 
each and every portal is gaining an identity and the peple who belong to the portal 
have congrous identity or mobilise only that part which is congruent...

if chetan baghat's book on fictional BPO reality with a totally prehigh school language is a best seller ... there is something wrong with our expectations...

thsi is the reality of this generation...nothing wrong.. i would rather move with the genearation and also not give up the anchors of my geneartion..you are also doing the same thing giridhar..
sreenivasarao is still a represenative of the  earlier generation...

dear sreenivasa rao.. you will live for many more years... this amorphous feeling will also pass
i have to meet you and we have to spend a lot of time together....
when are you coming to bangalore ....???

pakistan is defenitely in a very bad state,...
and our neighbpurs are in bad state... 
i am sure to love and enjoy the other FP blogs of giridhar...
tehere are very few with such perspectives.. i do not have but i do learn and can appreciate your very imporatant contribution... do not lose heart
srrenivasarao on healths score and
giridhar in viewership score...



  sreenivasarao s posted 1 month ago

Dear Shri Gopal,
Thank you for the quick response and very sensible one too.
It is a cruel satire that Pakistan should almost be undone by religion, the very premise for its creation. Every birth carries in its womb the seeds of decay and death.
I am glad you are thinking of writing on India’s FP and its relation with its neighbors. I look forward to that.
I can understand and appreciate your take on Sulekha; and of your intention to focus more on worthwhile tasks such as book projects that interest you and on the US Presidential elections. That might be more satisfying and beneficial to all, in the longer run.
Yet, I think your earnest thinking and serious writing already on Suleka is not totally lost. Someday a young person looking for sensible ideas and thoughts on India of a first generation intellectual migrant to US might hopefully stumble across your blogs in Sulekha; and benefit from it. I agree, your intended approach is surely a more direct one. I wish you good luck and Godspeed in your endeavor. (Since I have an amorphous feeling that I am running out of time I tend to take a longer perspective of things. I write for all and not for a few that are now and here. That in a way explains the nature of my posts and comments on Sulekha and elsewhere).
As regards Sulekha, it is rather a social blog-site that feeds on feel-good factor; and caters mainly to Indian interests. It is a heterogeneous but a friendly community that looks for comfort, camaraderie and appreciation. You see, predominantly, short accolades and appreciations – verbal and non verbal- without saying why you found the effort likable. You do not generally come across elaborate or involved debates flying across the pages and carry forward your issue.
I understand there are a few members of Sulekha who post on world or European history, economy, study of languages etc. on other sites; but prefer to post light pieces and articles of Indian interests on Sulekha. In a way, some sort of specialization has already arrived in blogging.
I have a few thoughts on blogging and its future; and might post it separately, since this piece is already getting lengthy.
Please keep talking.
 
Regards



  Girdhar Gopal posted 1 month ago

Sreenivas: I am concerned to hear about your health. I look forward to hearing that you are back in good fighting health.

Talking about your comments :What a wonderful response to my article: where do I start to reply:   

      Yes Pakistan started with a lot of advantages of natural resources. However, they took over a very backward populace. Only a good part of the Muhajirs(Immigrants from India) were well read and administrators, scientists etc. The Muhajirs have never been absorbed completely and the Sindhis and Punjabis have looked them with suspicion. However, Pakistan's greatest  drawback was that after the Indian Mutiny, Muslims went into a kind of shell of ignorant and obscurantist navelgazing.  They have yet to awake from this long introspection. The Shiah. Cutchi Memons, Agha Khanis , the Ahmediyyas etc who were the advanced sections, have been made into scape goats and outcasts by the Sunni Ummah.  I think religion has literally or rather practically killed Pakistan and Bangladesh and only way they can come out of the chaos they are, is if they choose
to become a SECULAR democracy. That does not seem to be in the cards.

     Yes India has a pusillanimous foreign policy of an ever shrinking violet, becasue it does not have much strategic thinking. I think that is because, though there is some consensus in domestic policy there is little consensus in foreign policy. Coalition politics and the criminalization of the political classes has resulted in a kind of stasis in state action. India, as I have stated in my essay, is in for real trouble, when she faces the problems of her neigbors juxtaposed to the paralysis to action that , her increasingly corrupt politics combined with the fracturing of her polity, is leading her to.
         This was not a self congratulatory essay, rather a kind of call to arms to face the realities and ACT.

     I shall think about writing an essay on India's foreign policy, but I am disappointed at Sulekha's response and in fact Sulekhite's response, to my essays. Possibly, a part of what I write does not interest the powers that be in Sulekha and  also some people in Sulekha.  What I write is really a mixed bag, a lot of serious stuff, interspersed with,poetry,short stories and some funnies. The serious stuff, that about 200 to 250 Sulekhites go for is what interests me, though the others appear to like my light stuff.
I have decided to reduce my load of Sulekha writing in preference to working on a couple of book projects that interest me and also working on the US Presidential elections. I am putting all this in this reply to you so that you and other people will know why I am slacking off in Sulekha. I shall still try to write the essays particularly that on FP of India,  a subject which does interest me.
Rgds, Girdhar



  sreenivasarao s posted 1 month ago

Dear Shri Gopal,
Pardon me for the inordinate delay in posting comments on your thought provoking blog. I was not keeping well for sometime and my visits to Sulekha were few and far between. I am now trying to catch up with your posts. But you are so prolific; that makes my task a little more daunting.

Many thought rushed to my mind as I went through your article on FP .I cannot, of course, mention all of them here.
It is interesting you remarked how the Muslims would have gained had they not broken away from the mainland to carve out pieces of theocratic states.Whenever I think of Pakistan I cannot help viewing it as a colossal case of wasted opportunities.
Pakistan came into being with several factors in its favor- I am not suggesting it did not have any problems. 
Its advantages included, among others, a great strategic geographical location; a compact region blessed with a river system, fertile soils and  access to the sea; a land endowed with rich natural and mineral resources; a single religion binding the country together ; enormous goodwill , specially from other Islamic countries ; generous financial  aid from its supporters; and above all the bubbling enthusiasm to face the challenges and build a new nation. The factors in its favor outweighed its disadvantages.

For these reasons, the Western academicians and the journalists wrote warmly and with optimism about Pakistan’s prospects. They predicted a bright future for Pakistan. Considering the then existing situation, it was a fair view.

At the same time, many predicted a dismal prospect for India. For instance:

General Claude Auchinleck, writing in 1948 said:
 The Sikhs may try to set up a separate regime... and that will be only a start of a general decentralization and break-up of the idea that India is a country, whereas it is a subcontinent as varied as Europe. The Punjabi is as different from a Madrassi as a Scot is from an Italian. The British tried to consolidate it but achieved nothing permanent. No one can make a nation out of a continent of many nations. 
Aldous Huxley, writing in 1961 said:
When Nehru goes, the government will become a military dictatorship—as in so many of the newly independent states, for the army seems to be the only highly organized centre of power.
The London Times, in 1967 wrote:
The great experiment of developing India within a democratic framework has failed. (Indians will soon vote) in the fourth—and surely last—general election.
 
It is sad; Pakistan finds itself in the present impasse and tottering as a failed state. I say this because well working neighbors are in the interest of India’s comfort and security. But the happenings in Pakistan resemble a badly written script of a horror movie; everything seems to have gone wrong. It is running amok like a crazy elephant gone wild on a binge. I am surprised Pakistan ranks as low as nine on that horrid list.

It is now futile to talk of why or how Pakistan finds itself in the present impasse.What is more important is the will and determination of the people of Pakistan in defining their identity and guiding their destiny.

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 You also mentioned briefly about India and its neighbors. I wish to see you post a separate blog on India‘s FP or precisely the absence of it. India for its size is a rare case of a major state that virtually has no backyard, except perhaps for the tiny sand dunes of Maldives perched precariously at the mercy of global warming. India virtually no influences of any kind - military or moral -over its neighbors, even the pocket sized ones. It has no say in happenings in Nepal or in the non-happenings in Myanmar. It lost credibility with the southern island of Sri Lanka, geographically resembling a tear drop.. Bangladesh enclosed by India on its three sides is busier than its East London joints and is ever cooking recopies for disasters in India. It has taken on guest chefs too. India has no clue how to protect or influence the land-locked state of Bhutan. Less said the better about India’s relations or lack of it with Pakistan.

The FP of India, if there is any, is weak-kneed and timid; and almost apologetic. Look at the hushed debate on nuclear deal. It is scared even  to mention Tibet within the Chinese earshot, let alone plead for the tired and aging Dalai Lama and his beleaguered followers. It is scared even to whisper  a good word  about the long interned  Aung San Suchi  .It is particularly sad because most of the founding fathers of the Indian republic  spent the best years of their lives closeted   in British prisons. India seems to have developed a selective amnesia.
As you pointed out there is a lot of unrest and a host ofdestabilizing influences each brewing trouble for its neighbors. Sadly, India seems to have become a part of the problem rather than holding out solutions.
You rightly said countries cannot choose their neighbors. Yes, looking at it from a distance, the Indian subcontinent seems to be a bunch of scared and confused polity joined by geography but divided by history.
Even at the global level , India no longer holds positions on committees or groups that mediate on disputes between  contesting nations ( as during the middle decades of 20th century).It seems to have lost the leverage or the sane tone of influence it once had.
 
 I wonder how India given its vast size, huge manpower, considerable economic strength, its standing among the group of nations ; and  with predictions for growth and glory,  painted itself into a corner.
 
I love to read your article on India’s FP and its relation with its neighbors. What does the destiny hold for these states? What do you see through your crystal ball? I would love to hear some good predictions for India.
 
Pardon me for the delayed and a rather lengthy response.
 
Regards



  Girdhar Gopal posted 2 mnths ago

Avinash: If that is so, not only they but India and the whole world, but India especially, is in deep doodo.
Rgds, Girdhar



  Avinashjee posted 2 mnths ago

Girdhar,
Pakistan will not be able to pull itself out of morass. They are completely blinded by religion. It is their turn to either be subjugated by taliban or become taliban or both.
Regards
Avinash



  Girdhar Gopal posted 2 mnths ago

Ether: In one way you are right on target and in another you are also into mix metaphors !
Rgds, Girdhar





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